Q.S.R. NUD*IST Power version, revision 4.0. Licensee: Caversham Project. PROJECT: COHD database, User megan cook, 10:39 am, Jul 17, 2002. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ +++ Text search for 'Rutherford' +++ Searching document int. Allen, Stan... +++ Searching document int.Barbara, Jack... +++ Searching document int.Mrs OB, Mrs ZR, int 1... +++ Searching document int.Mrs OB, Mrs ZR, int 2... +++ Searching document int.Mrs OB, Mrs ZR, int 3... +++ Searching document int J B... +++ Searching document int.Mrs JB... +++ Searching document int.Mrs JB 1983... JB Well. I went to Caversham School and when I was in Standard One - no I can go back further than that. When I was three I stuck a needle in my eye so I'm blind in one eye now. I had three operations on that eye and they were going to do a fourth one but then they found that I had a heart defect. They didn't do the fourth operation. Anyway when I was about six, in those days they had a doctor and a nurse who came round the school every year and examined every child in the school. I always got singled out. In those days the Sara Cohen School in RUTHERFORD Street was a school for disabled children. It's now for mentally handicapped children, but in those days it was for disabled children. These doctors and nurses in their wisdom decided they would send me there. I was there for four years. I would say there were about thirty children at that school. We had a very basic education. We had to have a rest in the afternoon. We learnt to write and read but we didn't get taught history and geography or anything like that. When I was in Standard Five I was sent back to Caversham School. So I was landed into a big school in Standard Five which was quite devastating. I'll never forget my first day at school back to Caversham they were working with fractions. I didn't know what a fraction was. Anyway I managed to catch up. Then I went to Tech. I wanted to be a school teacher but they decided that I wasn't fit enough so I had to go to Tech. 90 JB Not in my time. I don't know why that man was shoeing horses. I don't remember many horses and carts. I can remember nearly getting run over by a motorcar one day. But in Caversham there was RUTHERFORD's store on the corner of Playfair Street. That was a big grocery shop. Right opposite it was the Patton's grocery shop. If I was doing Mum's shopping I went to Rutherford's because old Mr Rutherford when he saw children in the shop would come out with a tin of chocolate wheaten biscuits and we'd all get one. I think he attracted a lot of business to that shop with his chocolate wheaten biscuits. Children did their mother' s shopping and went to that shop for the best deal. 438 JB There must have been a lot of people living in Caversham. I can remember when I went to school there were three cake shops. The two Miss Hislops had a cake shop down near RUTHERFORD Street. Then there was Henry's cake shop where the Caversham bakery is now. Then there was Ernest Adams. There were two butchers, Mr Robertson and the Griffiths. They were there as long as I can remember until everything started to change. I think old age got the better of them and they sold out. But they were family institutions. 494 +++ 3 text units out of 535, = 0.56% +++ Searching document int.Boulton, Miss... +++ Searching document int.Mrs RB, & Whitty, J... +++ Searching document int.Caird, Myrtle... +++ Searching document int.Campbell, Amelia... +++ Searching document int.Campbell, Ronald J.... +++ Searching document int.Campbell, William... +++ Searching document int.Colbert, Leslie... +++ Searching document int.Crossan, Phyllis... +++ Searching document int.Cummings/Manson part 2... +++ Searching document int.Cummings/Manson part1... JM: It was very, it was a stopping place for people, you know, all over the country, or going out to Green Island, Brighton. Lot of shopping down here. See old MaCrackens there, and RUTHERFORDs, they used to, MaCracken had about 12 men working for him, 12, that's including the coal [476 inaudible] you know and old Rutherford on the other side was the same. 876 +++ 1 text unit out of 1849, = 0.05% +++ Searching document int.Davidson, Andrew... AD: McCrackens, yes, was across the road, McCrackens, that's right. (I: McCracken, RUTHERFORD & Blackwoods) McCracken he was, McCracken was sort of a.. 621 AD: Compared to RUTHERFORD, McCracken was a competitor to Rutherford, but Rutherford was the man that, Rutherford, I don't know, in my time Rutherford, the Rutherfords was the firm that was the successful one. 625 AD: Oh RUTHERFORDs did, they did their delivery right round into Mornington, Rutherfords. 637 AD: It is, RUTHERFORDs apparently extended to Winton. 641 AD: There was a manufacturing, before the days of matches, (I: that's right), wooden matches (I: the Wax Vesta factory) manufacturing there in Caversham. Caversham, the Wax Vesta Company (I; that's right, yes) and people called RUTHERFORD, people called Rutherford owned that. 655 +++ 5 text units out of 734, = 0.68% +++ Searching document int.Delargey, Edward J.... +++ Searching document int.Denford, Frank... FD: To RUTHERFORDs Store which, now, what is the place, [217 inaudible] there's a shopping complex on the corner of Playfair Street, have you had a look at Caversham? 113 FD: Yeah, well, Playfair Street and then on to the Main South Road there was RUTHERFORDs Store and we used to deal off with them there, and I would be, when I can get a pound of butter, or one day the ah, I was told up to go up and buy a tin of herrings dipped in tomato sauce. The girls evidently, or some of them thought that the herrings didn't have enough tomato sauce and they were just dipped in tomatoes, and big and there was, and you know I went away and brought the herrings dipped in tomato sauce. 117 FD: Oh yes, the storekeeper, Mr Robert RUTHERFORD Snr, um, he was, one could almost say the ah, how should I put it, he was more than a storekeeper. He was a friend and the relationship was, and this could apply to the other storekeepers was, more intimately friendly than your modern ah, merchandise dealer, in that um, one relied on them not only for your groceries but you usually got your wood and coal from them. If you needed oats to feed the fowls they would have them. You could incidently buy, if you were that inclined, buy your wine and spirits from them. They were not only groceries but most of them, I'm talking about now even before I was born, um, they would have the wine and spirits. They'd have it up on their window front, but we didn't buy, we were strictly teetotallers for the simple reason that my father had had a very hard time in England before he came out here because of his stealth, and he wouldn't have drink in the house so that we were, um, drinking intoxicated liquors or beer or anything, was strictly forbidden. So, but anyway, what may give you some inkling of what, of the relationship in this particular case, was that one time my father, um, was out of work and I can't remember, it was before my, when I was just young and he simply could not get work and Mr Rutherford, old Robert Rutherford stood him, he's up, supplied him with groceries and kept the family going for six weeks, [LD: that's good, isn't it] and my father always remembered that, even when he was working later on in the workshops, it was almost a ritual for when he got, sent one of us along, mainly along to get the account and bring it back and I would go back and pay that right there and then. 121 FD: Ah, well, not as groups, no. No, I can't think of them. Excuse me for a moment, [433 inaudible]. [tape turns off] Many ah, like sort of community, we had at the back of our place, people by the name of Wizneskies[436] which were of German or Polish origin and ah, then we had at the bottom of our street people named Ollerenshaw, which of course would be, probably German. They would be first generation ah, if we remember that like my mother and father, that you might say were the second generation of immigrants there. The influence, or the home influences, which they used to be called, were still quite ah, dominant, quite prevalent because some of them were of children of immigrants and of course in my father's case, straight out immigrants, although he missed being an early settler by two years. As you know, you had to be from 48 to 68, well he missed out by two years but ah, that is only a arbitrary line but the ah, children of my generation or ones older were still very much, of the home descent. My mother even was often taken, although she was born in New Zealand here, she was often taken for Scots, because she used Scots expressions like, akek[465], or akekinglass[468], know what this is? [LD: no] A looking glass you see. And grete, grete means to pry, Scotch for pry you see. And poke, do you know what a poke is? Well, a poke is where, and I used to go to RUTHERFORDs, and I would want say, a truppence worth of pepper. Now, they wouldn't have bag, they'd get a piece of white paper, they'd twist it around their fingers to make what looked like a little ah, dunce's cap upside down, they'd twist the end and they would have ah, a little trowel and they would scoop and they would put the pepper in that and then press the top in. They often didn't use bags, they'd just use what we called a poke of pepper and ah, they would put that on the scales and weigh it. 327 The floors of the shops were almost invariably ah, polished wood with sawdust scattered over it and ah, this of course would have two fold purposes. Not only in the butcher's shop but in RUTHERFORDs grocery shop and the others would have sawdust thrown down. The sawdust would stop you from slipping and it was also, absorb any moisture or and ah, mud. Um, what is quite, almost unrealistic, or what is hard to understand that, ah, the streets were not tar sealed and although they were metalled the ah, mud, in wet weather, the mud ah, and the horse manure which would dry up and became very dusty, in dry weather it would be a fine dust with horse manure chaffed through it, and this would blow all round the place. In wet weather you would have a thin layer, perhaps a half an inch thick of fine sloppy silt mud on top of the gravel. Now, ah, this of course would make for dirty shoes and dirty boots and the sawdust would help to absorb this. 329 +++ 5 text units out of 356, = 1.4% +++ Searching document int.Mr KD F L... +++ Searching document int.Mr BD... +++ Searching document int.Mrs MD... MD: That's - no, I wasn't near the Valley Road. There's the school and it came - they're all coming up the hill ... the street ... they've altered the names of some of these streets, since I knew them, RUTHERFORD Street, that's where I got the whooping cough, there, down the street, it's was this - it was a block away from there ... and David Street was one of the main streets that the tram came down, to go down to South Dunedin that way instead of into town on the main road. 87 +++ 1 text unit out of 2484, = 0.04% +++ Searching document int.Donaldson, Mr... +++ Searching document int.Duncan, Dorothy... DD: Well I suppose in the Arthur Barnetts line they have bigger departments and things spread out more. Then in foodstuffs like in grocery shops you go and help yourself and take them to the cash out. You know that was - I can remember going to the shops in Caversham. There were two big grocery shops in Caversham. McCracken Brothers and RUTHERFORDs. You went in there and you bought your sugar or flour and they would bag it then and there and put it in a nice brown bag and put string around it. No sticky tape. The biscuits would be in a big tin. I used to go down on a Saturday morning for my mother and get six pennies of wine biscuits and six pennies of water biscuits. I can't remember the size of the bags but that was the amount it cost. And the bacon was cut off as you ordered it and the cheese was sliced down with a big wire thing. You know, no wrapped packets and slices and things. 90 +++ 1 text unit out of 645, = 0.16% +++ Searching document int.Fountain, Kathleen Vere... KF: I don't know at all. My brother used to - well, he must have gone to Sunday school, cause he was given thruppence or something to put, you know, the collection, and he used to go out to St. Clair. He didn't go, mother never knew he didn't go. Not always, but - so they must have had boys separately. I've thought of the name of that man, who was at St. Mathew's Church, RUTHERFORD Waddell. Have you heard of him? 1106 SB: WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT RUTHERFORD WADDELL? 1112 +++ 2 text units out of 2264, = 0.09% +++ Searching document int.Miss DF. & Miss GB.... GB: In RUTHERFORD Street. 251 +++ 1 text unit out of 2747, = 0.04% +++ Searching document int.Fraser, Pat... +++ Searching document int.Gilbert, Mary... G We used to love to go and get the groceries. We all used to hope for boiled sweets. There were all different shapes of animals. We always got something from Mr RUTHERFORD. Then there was Mr Wilkinson the chemist. He'd pull our teeth out without anything. With toothache you went to Mr Wilkinson and he yank the tooth and out it would come. There was a wee shop where we got all our cords from Miss Rushwood. She had a wee shop on the corner where the school was. The shop is still there. We had our wee Coronation Street. Is this going in a book? 381 +++ 1 text unit out of 410, = 0.24% +++ Searching document int.Mrs MG... +++ Searching document int.Mrs RG... *RG: No, that's right. Well you see the Reverend RUTHERFORD Waddell who you know through history, he was the Minister at St Andrews Church. That was before they went out to live at St Clair. They were very involved with him and his work. My father did a great deal of work at what they called the Mission Hall in Carroll Street. He used to take services there. This was as I say long before I was even thought of. And um as I say you know the history of his life and all he did for the working classes. 487 +++ 1 text unit out of 1829, = 0.05% +++ Searching document int.Grigg, Russell... +++ Searching document int.Grimmett, Bert... BG: I'm quite sure that both of them can help you a lot. Now, I - my memory is not terribly good, you know, but I can remember lots of little things about certain things. [indistinct]. Grocery shop, McCracken's and RUTHERFORDs. 361 +++ 1 text unit out of 694, = 0.14% +++ Searching document int.Grimmett, Bert (2)... [indistinct]. Groceryshop, McCracken's and RUTHERFORDs. 698 +++ 1 text unit out of 1407, = 0.07% +++ Searching document int.Mrs MH... +++ Searching document int.Hall, Frederick... +++ Searching document int.Harris, Bill & Frances... +++ Searching document int.Harrison, Ellen... +++ Searching document int.Horder, Vera May... VH Yes, then he put it in a soda fountain. In those days soda fountains were very rare. He altered all the shelving and made one side into a soda fountain. This is until my mother, then she took over one side and had homemade cakes there but he put in a soda fountain and I can remember a terrific consternation one morning when someone came up and said the soda fountain had blown up. It had exploded. My dad rushed over. Another thing I can remember about the shop I can remember there was a family lived across the road from the shop by the name of Sanders and there was a was a carrier, he was a carrier, he used to bring the fruit and vegetables for Dad from the market, he used to do the cartage for him and [Malcolm?]. Sanders came running up one Sunday morning and saying George, George, you've had a burglar in your shop and we've caught him, we've caught him", and he was so excited that he'd ... broken into the shop and stolen some cigarettes. And then we used to g o to the rugby. Dad was a great sports ... he didn't play any sport but were interested and could tell you all the players, rugby, cricket, the whole lot you know. The highlight of my week was to go Caversham with Dad on Saturday afternoon. We'd all come back to the shop and sit in the backroom and talk about the game and talk it over what we should have done what ... and there a little there, another little shop opposite our shop and dear old Mrs Seddon had that, a little sweet shop and she'd send me little squares that she used to bake and she'd bring me over a nice little apple square and while I was looking after the shop she'd come over or send Mr Seddon ... and I can remember too the Chinese garden, but this is not Caversham, this is down in where the shop was, but Dad used to get a lot of his vegetables from Joe [Kui/Kooey?] who had a market garden and he used to come up on his cart and horse and he'd bring up the vegetables for Dad. I loved Joe [Kooey?] because he used to bring me pots of ginger as a little girl. I was very spoilt as a child. But I don't really think there's much more than that I can tell you about the early days of Caversham. I can remember RUTHERFORD's on the corner of Playfair Street and Main South Road and the little shop which was the drapery shop Miss Duncan had that in the early days ... they had something to do with that shop, it's all pretty vague now but I'm pretty sure they had something to do with that shop but I know Miss Duncan lived in the flat above there and I used to love to go up when I was ... and I was learning music from a teacher in College street, Miss Weston, I think she's still alive 167 VH We used to put the billy down, I've forgotten his name, Mr Valpy, that's right, Mr Valpy was the milkman, we used to put the billy down at night. RUTHERFORDs used to deliver the coal and we used to get our groceries from McCrackens and our meat from Griffiths. Bread from Mr Foster. 203 +++ 2 text units out of 226, = 0.88% +++ Searching document int.Ingram, C.W.N.... This is an interview with C.W.N. Ingram, 37 RUTHERFORD Street, Caversham in 1980. The interviewer is Sue Harkness. The orginal tape is at the Otago Settler's Museum. 2 CI:37 RUTHERFORD Street, Caversham. 15 CI:Well he worked with his father for quite a long time asphalting, the name appears in this book of Mrs RUTHERFORD's Edge of the Town .... she traced him through the Who's Who, the directory, and then in about 1910 or so they established a cordial factory here in Caversham and my father worked part-time there and part-time with the Otago Daily Times and then he launched out as a sort of advance agent for the theatrical companies. 83 CI:Yes. There was a parish priest here he's now the administrator of St. Joseph's, Father Mee, he wrote a book on the history of the Catholic Church in Caversham and he has done a really good job on Caversham and the Valpy's and the Valpy tract because there was a lot of swampy land particularly in the Hillside area; and there was Maori heads you know, tussocks and things all over the St. Kilda area and the Valpy track led around the base of this hill there up to about the end of RUTHERFORD Street and cut across here and that is the way they got on to the South Road and the South Road originally came around Hillside but it was so boggy they went over the hill later on by the ... here but this can be obtained for a dollar I'm told, I could borrow one for you anyway. I've always been meaning to buy one and yet I've got to an age of 80 in about a fortnight's time and I've been stacking up books and papers there and now I'm trying to get rid of them. Because my time is so limited. 1187 CI:Oh yes I suppose they would have. On one side there was a brewery, Cowie's Brewery, that's mentioned in &... The next place there was a men's barber and he was married to my father's cousin. She was one of the Thorns, His name was South. Can't remember who was in the next place and then there was Philips and then there was a chap who had a sewing machine place, his daughter just died the other day, he lived up in a house, it is a very old house and it's mentioned in the "Edge of the Town", was the name and of course there was RUTHERFORD's store, there's been three buildings there and McCracken's opposite and McCracken's still have an influence in the grocery trade, they have I suppose a grandson who runs a grocery business on the corner of Duke Street and George Street. 1224 CI:I'm trying to think of different names of people there..just hearing my people who they are going to vote for. The RUTHERFORDs, they were very prominent in the affairs of Caversham. 1252 +++ 6 text units out of 1385, = 0.43% +++ Searching document int.Isaac, Bill & Alice... +++ Searching document int.Jeffries, Margaret... +++ Searching document int.Mrs HJ... +++ Searching document int.Jones, Joyce... JJ: I don't - was it just RUTHERFORDs or were there more directors? 675 JJ: I wouldn't be sure. Must be RUTHERFORDs. Was it sold? I suppose it was. He got a few shillings a week for the rest of his life and I don't think it was a long life. 713 +++ 2 text units out of 1269, = 0.16% +++ Searching document int.Jory, Rita & Wellman, Louise... RJ: Once I went on a bike. It belonged to Nellie Stevenson up the Caversham Valley Road. She had a bike. It didn't have any back pedalling brake. You know, it just went all the time. I said, 'Let me have a ride on it.' So I got on it, I couldn't ride a bike. She started me off and it was down a hill in the Caversham Valley there. So I started off and of course there was no brake to put on. My legs were going round and round. It was awful. It got too fast for me so I took my feet off and I went right down until I got to RUTHERFORD Street. That's down at the other end of the shops in Caversham in those days. I turned right I think up there to level ground and it stopped. 815 +++ 1 text unit out of 1261, = 0.08% +++ Searching document int.Miss CJ... +++ Searching document int.Kennedy, James Ronayne... +++ Searching document int.Kenny, Frances... +++ Searching document int. ... +++ Searching document int.Kroon, Sam... +++ Searching document int.Lumb, Janet Stewart... +++ Searching document int.Maher, Hilda... +++ Searching document int.Marlow, Kevin... +++ Searching document int.Mr LM... +++ Searching document int.Maskell part 1... +++ Searching document int.Maskell part 2... +++ Searching document int.McCracken, Ken and Velda... +++ Searching document int.McKeich, Ken... +++ Searching document int.Melville, Colin... You had that little garage in RUTHERFORD Street, [GM: Rutherford Street, that's right] and he had a girlfriend down Rutherford Street. 729 +++ 1 text unit out of 1096, = 0.09% +++ Searching document int. ... +++ Searching document int.Mrs LMM '01... +++ Searching document int.Mrs LMM '98... +++ Searching document int.Mr JRMM... +++ Searching document int.Mrs NN... +++ Searching document int.Mrs NN... JN: And then they went into RUTHERFORD Street. 110 MC: OK. WHAT ABOUT RUTHERFORD STREET? 208 JN: Uhm, well, I suppose it was - they, they - I suppo - when they got married I think they stayed - were in Alfred and then, and then you see, they - well, when the family started to come along, they shifted into RUTHERFORD Street. 226 MC: RIGHT. RIGHT. OK. SO THE RUTHERFORD STREET ONE, AND THE BUTCHER STREET ONE. STARTING OFF WITH THE RUTHERFORD STREET ONE, DID YOU EVER SEE THAT HOUSE? 2036 JN: Yes. I've seen where it was because we had a reunion and 'cause everyone wanted - they went up to the Bridge Street one, and they wanted to - oh, and they went to the one where, where Bill was born in too, that was in Alfred Street, and - but of course they couldn't - there was a different house built in the RUTHERFORD Street one. 2046 MC: DID HE EVER DESCRIBE THE RUTHERFORD STREET HOUSE FOR YOU? 2052 +++ 6 text units out of 2248, = 0.27% +++ Searching document int.Norman, Annie... AN: No. No. No. But the boss's wife, Mrs RUTHERFORD, she was good when the twins were born. She brought clothes, you know, because it was, they only thought I was going to have one, but I used to say to my husband I was going to have two. He says how? I says, because I can feel two distinct movements. 1632 +++ 1 text unit out of 3011, = 0.03% +++ Searching document int.Paine, I.B.... +++ Searching document int.Randall, Peter... +++ Searching document int.Mr TR... +++ Searching document int.Riddell, Beatrice... +++ Searching document int.Riddell, Wax Vesta... +++ Searching document int.Roberts, Rose... +++ Searching document int.Roebuck, Lew... +++ Searching document int.Rutherford, Mr & Mrs... This is a recording of an interview with Mr & Mrs William (Bob) RUTHERFORD at their home in Blackhead Rd, July 29th 1981. The interviewer is Wayne Goodall. 1 BR: Oh, my name, do you want the full [I: yes please] or, William John RUTHERFORD, born in Dunedin, ah, 1st September 1910. 5 +++ 2 text units out of 625, = 0.32% +++ Searching document int.Shiel, Gerald... +++ Searching document int.Shiel, Miss... AB:ARE THERE ANY OTHER OF THE BIG FAMILIES LIKE THE SIDEYS OR ? IS THAT RIGHT AND THE RUTHERFORD'S - DID YOU KNOW THOSE FAMILIES WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG? 853 +++ 1 text unit out of 1349, = 0.07% +++ Searching document int.Sidey, Stuart... SS: No. Not, not really. But it was a fairly knit community, Caversham, you know, there was Caversham Bowling Club which was - well, it's still there, but not the same location, and there were these Harrier Clubs and all these sort of things and people of course didn't go to town much to shop unless they were going to the main drapery stores or something like that because it had its own, there was McCracken's Grocer on one side and RUTHERFORD's on the other. Those buildings are still there incidentally. And, and a but - butcher's shop and everything, it was sort of all there, and everything was delivered in those days. 137 +++ 1 text unit out of 807, = 0.12% +++ Searching document int.Smith, Jean... +++ Searching document int.Mrs ZO... +++ Searching document int.Sparkes, Shirley... +++ Searching document int.Mrs MT... +++ Searching document int.Thorn, Patricia... +++ Searching document int.Mrs MTd... +++ Searching document int.White, J... JW: Well, there must have been enough money to pay it. I can remember us children, we always liked to go up and pay the grocery bill because the old Mr RUTHERFORD used to put - if there was three kids behind the counter they all got a lolly. Then when you paid the bill he'd give you a bag of mixed biscuits. 362 +++ 1 text unit out of 1026, = 0.10% +++ Searching document int.Wilkie, John ... JW: Well my father always handed over so much money you know. I don't know how much he kept. But that was the arrangement. My mother paid the bills. I can remember when we were in Kew going to RUTHERFORDs the grocers in Caversham on the corner of Playfair Street and South Road and paying the grocery bill. She paid some of it in gold. Mr Rutherford gave me a poke of more lollies. That was the discount you got when you paid your grocery bill. Most of those things would be [indistinct]. They'd roll them into like you might say an ice cream cone type of thing. 387 +++ 1 text unit out of 399, = 0.25% +++ Searching document int.Wilkinson, Isabel... +++ Searching document int.Wilson, Florence... +++ Searching document int.Wilson, Helen... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ +++ Results of text search for 'Rutherford': ++ Total number of text units found = 48 ++ Finds in 24 documents out of 89 online documents, = 27%. ++ The online documents with finds have a total of 30656 text units, so text units found in these documents = 0.16%. ++ The selected online documents have a total of 95427 text units, so text units found in these documents = 0.05%. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++